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    Peter Laird MD

    I have just read through the related story and I find this to be a truly tragic situation. Unfortunately, we do not yet have all of the facts on what transpired, but taking on "difficult" patients is part of the practice of doctors, so the fact that no other institution has not picked up her care is beyond my comprehension.

    Patients whether in the middle of a law suit, complaint or other action does not mean that there is a right to deny care. Further, the hospital is obliged to offer social support services to secure the needed care. In addition, the original treating physician is under an obligation to secure care or be at risk of abandonment.

    Obviously, the lack of full information makes judgements on the standard of care difficult. I look forward to following this case to see that the patient is first and foremost cared for and secondly what the final facts of the case turn out to be leaving room for the right of the physician to voice his side of all these issues.

    Peter Laird MD

    Here is an interesting link on medical abandonment. Once again, we need to see the full story from both sides, but at the outset, as a physician, it was my impression that even when dealing with a difficult patient, which does indeed happen, we still must secure medical care.

    http://brainblogger.com/2008/07/27/medicine-and-the-law-part-5-abandonment/

    It will be interesting to see if this patient has been abandoned or if the attempts were made to secure care. In my opinion, since the patient is only getting occasional ER treatment dialysis sessions, I await the upcoming evaluation of whether she was abandoned. As in all cases, both sides need to have the opportunity to speak and voice their case.

    Alison Hymes

    Not sure where to put this but I just nominated your blog for an award I was awarded. You can see it here and nominate others and put the award on if you want by just copying and pasting. http://hymes.wordpress.com/2008/07/31/someone-gave-me-an-award-my-nominees-below/

    dyna

    to be fair, both side of stories have to be heard. as long as patient care and health is not jeopardised, health care provider also has a right to refuse as much as the patient has a right if there was reasonable cause. I think the right has to be weighted equally for patients and providers. patients mostly emphasize on their right, but often patients forget that they have resposiblities too.

    Bill Peckham

    as long as patient care and health is not jeopardized

    Patient care and health is being jeopardized. Having to show uremic distress before receiving dialysis is a recipe for poor outcomes. Receiving a bare minimum dose of dialysis through an ER is not an acceptable level of care.

    Roberta Mikles

    Bill, hopefully your comments will be taken to heart by many, including providers. There are two sides to every story. I would be interested in seeing the medical record, in this case. You might,perhaps, find subjective documentation to support discharge, versus objective documentation showing the 'real' picture. (this does happen) Often our health care professionals are taught what I call 'defensive' charting/documentation. Involuntary discharges are alive and well as evidenced in surveys. I would like to see root cause analysis' conducted when there are problems between patients/families and staff/physician. Perhaps looking at the real reasons for such will shed greater light. I have reviewed surveys that had involuntary discharges and it was evident that interventions on the part of the provider were lacking, in spite of the 'patient conflict resolution' process that was developed. Of course one major problem is that if one staff has negative feelings about a patient it is quickly transferred to other staff, thereby, basically setting the patient up for failure. This contagion develops out of the unique culture that exists within the dialysis setting. (I state this after speaking with many, many patients as well as dialysis staff). The dynamics is unique unto itself. Roberta Mikles, RN Health Care Patient Advocate RMiklesRN@aol.com

    Angie

    Wow everyone is talking about this. I came here from KidneySpace who have posted and linked back to you Bill.

    I know I am not familiar with the USA system as things are different in Canada but this is my take even though I see what has happened as an outrage and can imagine how sick Carole feels especially not getting regular dialysis.

    Where is the renal social worker in all this? The Nephrologists have enough to deal with and when it comes to conflict with the patient or patient's family not agreeing or understanding or conflicting with the instruction of the Nephrologist then the Social Worker must step in. I know I have witnessed terrible communication and hurried diagnosis and assumptions and seemingly assuming the person on dialysis is none too smart and forgetting that patients know their bodies very well because they have lived with them all their lives, but the Social Worker has the best bet to get to the bottom of conflict like this before it rises to this level. Nephrologists are usually overworked and have so many cases to worry about and something like this needs a one on one. A person on dialysis or a family member / caregiver will be distraught and in fight mode to get to the bottom of things and therefore might come across as aggressive putting the staff on the defensive.

    It is a shame but this should never have gone to this level. There lies fault on both sides and no one side can solely blame the other side in this one.


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