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    Mark E. Neumann

    Peter: very nicely said. I agree that the NKF went against the tide when taking their stance on financial incentives for organ donation, even when major transplant societies voted in favor of it. Talking with members of the NKF -- not just the administration -- they agree with the position as well.

    It is a controversial topic, and all sides should be heard and accepted. At the minimum, as you note, all other medical options to treat kidney disease -- and we need to repeat often that transplant is not a cure, but a treatment -- should be offered to patients, including the home dialysis therapies.

    Anonymous

    I think either I misread something or two different issues have been conflated. Dr. Satel is in favor of purchase of kidneys from living donors which I oppose along with all of you and the NKF, but I thought this particular story was about financial incentives for families of deceased donors to donate their family member's organs such as financial help with burial expenses as has been proposed in the past and which the NKF opposed also. I see these as very different and while very opposed to the first I am not opposed to the second. Am I confused?

    Zoran Lazarevic

    Dear Dr. Laird,

    A poor father wants to sell his kidney in order to pay for an expensive surgery for his child. Banning this transaction hurts the child, the father, and the potential kidney recepient.
    A farmer in a third world country wants to sell his kidney to prevent starvation of his family due to a famine. Banning this transaction hurts him, his family members who will not survive this year, and the potential kidney recepient.
    It is safe to assume that all the potential paid donors would be in such a grave need, because otherwise they would not contemplate selling their organ.

    You are a doctor. For 12+ hours a week you are sitting in a chair instead of treating patients. How many lives could you have saved or improved were you to receive a transplant? Are we as a society better off or worse off because fewer of us get your services?

    Two consenting adults, with a full knowledge of risks and benefits, should not be prevented from trading an organ for cash. Economists have calculated that the price of a kidney on a free market in the U.S. would be $30,000. That is a small price to pay for dialyzors I talked to. It was heartbreaking to hear from them how bad they wanted a transplant. If the number of dialyzors was halved, that would free up a lot of money and clinic's time to provide better, longer, more frequent treatments to the other half of patients who cannot receive a transplant, or decide to stay on dialysis like you.

    It seems you would not mind even if voluntary donations were outlawed (such as your wife's noble offer) because people do not have "the right to place the responsibility for [their] personal health onto someone without a six figure income".

    From your posts, I understand that you oppose the legalization because the poor people cannot make decisions by themselves, do not know what is good for them, cannot judge risks and benefits, and thus the system would exploit them.

    I would urge you to reconsider your moral reasons for the ban in light of moral reasons for honoring the paid donor's wishes and the benefits to the whole CKD population.

    Bill Peckham

    Zoran writes:

    It is safe to assume that all the potential paid donors would be in such a grave need, because otherwise they would not contemplate selling their organ.
    Zoran I don't think you have been paying attention to today's world.

    A poor father wants to sell his kidney in order to invest in ostrich farming because it will be a great investment (it can't miss). A dad with seven kids wants to sell his kidney to enter the World Series of Poker (he's already won the online version he bound to win in Vegas). An 18 year old waitress wants to sell her kidney because with the money she can get plastic surgery and take Hollywood by storm (with just a bit of work she's sure to be the next Julia Roberts).

    The article Sally Satel and Nadey Hakim wrote for the International Herald Tribune last June, 'What's wrong with selling kidneys?' acknowledges the problem with buying a kidney is that you will not like what the people will do with the money. As I wrote:

    ... ([the authors are] acknowledging that this pay for a kidney system might not feel good in practice - that in practice they would not approve of the decisions people are making. The thing about altruistic donation is that we (society) approve of the decision. Are we ready to support donation when we think the donor has made the wrong choice?

    I think you are acknowledging the problem as well Zoran by imagining people would only sell their kidney for reasons you approve.

    Zoran you wrote:

    From your posts, I understand that you oppose the legalization because the poor people cannot make decisions by themselves, do not know what is good for them, cannot judge risks and benefits, and thus the system would exploit them.

    I think if you read all of Peter's posts - or really any one - it is clear that Peter supports kidney transplant, has joyfully referred his own patients for transplant and if it was not contra indicated in his own case he would choose to be listed for a cadiveric transplant. Peter's position, and mine, is that the problem is not dialysis, the problem is chronic under dialysis that is routinely provided in dialysis units all across the United States.

    As far as the specific issue of creating an organ market, both Peter and I have brought up numerous specific problems with going down that road.

    rohana

    I agree with what you wrote about home dialysis being made available to American renal patients, as it is in other countries. It is far easier on the patients, costs less, is less profitable to healthcare providers, which probably is why it is not popular here. One problem is that home dialysis patients cannot be single and living alone. A great many single people do live alone, particularly among baby boomers.

    I agree with Dr. Satel that incentives should be offered for the gift of life, whether to families of cadaver donors or to living donors.

    There is a group of patients you neglected to discuss. Those of us who have kidney failure from long ago chemo damage and whose chemo-destroyed veins do not allow dialysis. Transplant is my only chance for life. I am currently at 21 GFR. I had cisplatin 27 yrs ago. Most patients who had it in the aggressive dosage I received along with other chemo agents, subsequently died from kidney failure, if not from their cancer. I was considered a miracle cancer recovery case. Now my renal team tells me I am also a kidney miracle to have lived this long after the chemo I was given! I took megavitamin supplements, including selenium and E and C - which new research has shown can help kidneys survive metal-based chemo damage. So, perhaps I accidentally saved my kidneys from failing years sooner.

    I cannot have peritoneal dialysis due to radiation therapy of my entire trunk and an omentectomy. Three recent surgeries for AV Fistulas and AV Fistula Grafts to prepare me for upcoming dialysis have failed - my veins fell apart under the surgeons hands. He was shocked at how bad they were. Because I am not on dialysis, my name stays at the bottom of the transplant list, even though I cannot get dialysis except in a major emergency through a chest port temporarily. I am currently being put on the transplant list, but it is likely my kidneys will fail before a kidney shows up for me, even though I am blood type AB and an excellent, proactive, educated and strong transplant candidate.

    There are far more exceptions and special considerations and renal care in this country needs to provide the best options for every individual.

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