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    Zach

    I may be wrong, but in Japan, many nephrologists are trained for AV fistula placement.

    Bill Peckham

    I'll try to catch Rajiv after the session and ask.

    Bill Peckham

    I finally remembered to ask Dr. Saran your question Zach - the DOPPS data really shows that the strong correlation is to how many procedures the surgeon did during training, not to whether or not the surgeon is a nephrologist.

    One example Dr. Saran mentioned is that Italy is where the surgeon is most likely to be a nephrologist (about 80% compared to Japan's 50%) yet still Japan has the better outcomes and the Italian outcomes correlate well based on their moderate experience during training.

    I would speculate that this training number is a surrogate for the esteem with which the procedure is held and/or the number of different procedures the surgeon is trained to do. Dr. Saran pointed out that in the US vascular surgeons are trained to do 50 some different procedures, some of which are no doubt more immediately life saving.

    Maybe in Japan fistula surgeons have a limited type of surgeries they would undertake in comparison ... which if they were nephrologists would make sense, but bottom line to me:
    If you need to have a fistula placed, no matter where you live in the world, ask your potential surgeon how many fistula procedures they did during their training.

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