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    March 15, 2010

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    Peter Laird, MD

    Dear David, welcome aboard DSEN. Your post revives the old discussions on the J point of HTN control. Sometimes finding the optimal treatment goals is difficult. This is one such issue.

    Denise Eilers, RN, BSN

    The March 13 issue of Lancet contained an article about B/P VARIABILITY as a risk factor for stroke. "Health Day" carried a synopsis of the article. Interesting piece! I wonder what short, thrice weekely dialysis with its inherent swings in B/P would reveal about C/V events and stroke in dialysis patients.

    Bill Peckham

    There is also the question of are people having their BP correctly taken? At the ADC there was clear data showing that a low predialysis BP, systolic 100 - 110, had more risk associated with it than a high BP, 150 - 160. Even a predialysis systolic BP of 200 had less risk associated with it then a pre dialysis systolic of 100.

    I think there is a dialysis effect on BPs above and beyond the "lab coat" or "white coat" effect. These days a lot of medicine is being done based on pre dialysis BP. I think that at the very least home BP monitoring should be done before meds are changed.

    Home BP monitoring could be very helpful in determining if a dialyzor was appropriately hydrated. BPs taken between treatments would be very instructive to a good clinician.

    Kidneyhelp


    I couldn't agree more!  In fact I think that too many doctors and nurses take a patient's BP initially upon entering the examination room when the patient is not at rest. It invariably happens to me and I insist they come back ten minutes later and redo.  If I enter the room at 140 diastolic, ten minutes later it is down to 125. Case closed.  I always monitored my BP at home when I was in-clinic, and invariably it was lower than pre-dialysis. 

    Peter Laird, MD

    Home BP monitoring which is one of Bill's cherished goals of therapy is a very useful tool for physicians. The doctors office is not the best place to obtain reliable measurements. I tried to train my patients to do their own monitoring with reliable machines at home. My nurses would take the patients BP with our monitors and then have the patient use their machine right there in the office to see how well the two compared. For a patient that had a reliable home machine, I used their records to adjust therapy when I felt they were doing accurate monitoring. My patients appreciated the arrangement.

    Denise Eilers, RN, BSN

    I teach beginning nursing students and teaching them to take a B/P correctly is a very high priority. Factors such as cuff placement, correct cuff size, cuff applied neither too loose or too tight--all of these things matter. I also stress the importance of RESTING blood pressure and readings over time. My students report that patients have repeatedly told them that "no one else makes me rest before checking it." Solid fundamentals and back-to-basics can make all the difference!

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